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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/1/2008 2:41:35 PM
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Hey, sin is sin.
Homosexual behavior is just another sin. It is no better or worse than other sins (including the ones in your life and mine). It has the same cure, and people are not going to find that cure because Christians got together in their holier than thou club to agree together that homosexuality is the worst sin ever.
Why are we making it special and choosing to attack the people involved in that sin? Do we have a "let's bash alcoholics" thread? Or what about a "everybody tell us how terrible it is to kill children in sacrifice to foreign gods" thread?
Why not stop ranting and raving and actually spend time getting to know some people trapped in homosexual lifestyles and show them Jesus?
You are correct that sin is sin, and that homosexuality is no worse in God's eyes that other sin.
But you err in blaming Christians for the "Hot Topic" of homosexuality, as it is the homosexual community continuing attack to diss Christianity and to claim that their abomination to God is akin to being born "Red Headed"; they cound't help it so their is no guilt.
That attempt to "Force" homosexuality on the populace is what keeps it mainstream; and tryint to justify sin against God will always bring the ire of Christians (And God).
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/1/2008 7:00:38 PM
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Hey, sin is sin.
Homosexual behavior is just another sin. It is no better or worse than other sins (including the ones in your life and mine). It has the same cure, and people are not going to find that cure because Christians got together in their holier than thou club to agree together that homosexuality is the worst sin ever.
Why are we making it special and choosing to attack the people involved in that sin? Do we have a "let's bash alcoholics" thread? Or what about a "everybody tell us how terrible it is to kill children in sacrifice to foreign gods" thread?
Why not stop ranting and raving and actually spend time getting to know some people trapped in homosexual lifestyles and show them Jesus?
Most sins don't have their own advocacy groups, homosexuality does. So far, gay *rights* activists have been working pretty much unopposed by Christians or any other group and are drawing others into accepting and/or participating in their sinful lifestyle. Gay *rights* activists are trying to convince society that homosexuality is *normal* when it is not, and our society will pay the price for this.
I hardly qualify as an expert on the Bible, but I'm pretty sure that all sins are not equal, and homosexuality happens to be one that results in a stiff punishment by God:
“…Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).
Should Christians just keep quiet while people by the millions are being sold into a lifestyle that will result in their eternal damnation? I should hope not.
Although many people do promote binge drinking, I don't know of too many activists promoting drunkness as "healthy" or "normal", nor are there any alcoholic organizations trying to destroy marriage by redefining it into something completely meaningless and detremental to our society.
I'm not aware of too many people killing children in sacrifice to foreign gods. If we some day do see a group of activists promoting special laws to protect people who sacrifice children, you can bet there will be many posts on these forums concerning that (although I think abortion comes pretty close to child sacrifice and is already discussed here.)
I agree that we should do our best to show everyone the love of Christ, but at the same time, we need to educate ourselves about what the evil one is doing to our friends and families.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/1/2008 7:26:40 PM
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Most sins don't have their own advocacy groups, homosexuality does.
That is an excellent point; I have never seen an ad for "The almagameted Association of Adulterers," or for "The National Association of Gossipers".
It is the homosexuals that bring the light on their own sin and themselves because they choose sin over Christ;
(Joh 3:17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
(Joh 3:18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(Joh 3:19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/1/2008 8:10:37 PM
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(Joh 3:17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
(Joh 3:18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(Joh 3:19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/2/2008 10:25:35 AM
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Singinbeauty,
Well your right I'm not sure if its a choice, I know there's something spiritual about homosexuality. I know its not of God so it must be coming from the devil. It goes against God completely. That was one of the reasons why God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, and its also in the new testament Romans 1: 26-27 and 1Corinthians 6:9. As someone being homo that wrote it,lol, come on that makes no sense if it's inspired by teh Holy Spirit and it would contradict God's Word. There is hope, God can deliver anyone from homosexuality, they have to want to be rid of it, and know that it is wrong. They need to acknowledge the sin, ask for forgiveness,believe that God has forgivin them and stop feeling guilty (Psalm 32:1-6).
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/2/2008 10:30:03 AM
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Sodom and Gomorrah were actually destroyed because there wasn't anyone found righteous in it. Sexual deviancy was just one part of it. Most likely, every sin that anyone could ever think of was occurring, and then some that would even shock us, despite the lengths that some will go to today.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 12/2/2008 10:31:47 AM
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TheoJunkie,
How is sin genetic? are you refering back to Adam and Eve or you just sayin from your family generation, because that wouldnt make any sense to me.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/3/2008 9:41:10 PM
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Most sins don't have their own advocacy groups, homosexuality does. So far, gay *rights* activists have been working pretty much unopposed by Christians or any other group and are drawing others into accepting and/or participating in their sinful lifestyle. Gay *rights* activists are trying to convince society that homosexuality is *normal* when it is not, and our society will pay the price for this.
Unopposed?!?!? You can't be serious! The Gay Rights Movement began shortly after the Stonewall Riots way back in 1969. It's been almost 40 years, and same-sex couples still do not enjoy the same privileges as heterosexual couples. Are the Gay Rights groups just not trying?
ETA: Did you forget about groups like Narth, AFA, Fred Phelps?
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/3/2008 10:27:24 PM
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Unopposed?!?!? You can't be serious! The Gay Rights Movement began shortly after the Stonewall Riots way back in 1969. It's been almost 40 years, and same-sex couples still do not enjoy the same privileges as heterosexual couples. Are the Gay Rights groups just not trying?
ETA: Did you forget about groups like Narth, AFA, Fred Phelps?
While homosexuals certainly have faced difficulties in the past, there is really very little that prevents them from acting out on their desires as much as they see fit today.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/3/2008 11:14:03 PM
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Homosexuals were frightened, confused people that needed God. We chose instead of helping them get to God, the only one who could help them with their unnatural desires, to turn our backs on them and tell them they were already damned.
Who could blame them for getting organized? We created this beast. We wouldn't invite them to church, have them in our homes, hire them at our jobs, even let them be our friends. We launched attack after attack on them and pushed them into a corner. And now we're shocked that they started pushing back.
The church may not be to blame for how they chose to embrace their sin, but we are to blame for pushing this issue to a point where most homosexuals believed that the were already damned, so they had two choices, live the way they always had and downplay everything we said, or commit suicide.
I'm not pro-homosexuality, but Jesus loves the homosexuals out there that you and I have shunned and scorned for centuries. We did the damage and now we're paying the price. While we formed outreach groups to reach alcoholics, drug addicts, sex addicts, prostitutes, unwed mothers, wife-beaters, murderers, pretty much any sinful lifestyle, all the homosexuals heard from us was condemnation.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/3/2008 11:15:40 PM
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It's been almost 40 years, and same-sex couples still do not enjoy the same privileges as heterosexual couples.
Relax, Veritas, in that 40 years homosexuality has gone from a mental illness to an alternative lifestyle and, due to the courts of at least two states, has become a legally recognized form of marriage. I'm only 45. In my lifetime I have seen people have to begin identifying themselves as hetero or homosexual. Yet, my life experience has taught me that this is nothing more than another way to express preferred perversion.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/3/2008 11:24:09 PM
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I'm not pro-homosexuality, but Jesus loves the homosexuals out there that you and I have shunned and scorned for centuries. We did the damage and now we're paying the price. While we formed outreach groups to reach alcoholics, drug addicts, sex addicts, prostitutes, unwed mothers, wife-beaters, murderers, pretty much any sinful lifestyle, all the homosexuals heard from us was condemnation.
But, with each of those groups, we don't encourage them to engage in their destructive lifestyle.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/3/2008 11:29:35 PM
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I'm not pro-homosexuality, but Jesus loves the homosexuals out there that you and I have shunned and scorned for centuries. We did the damage and now we're paying the price. While we formed outreach groups to reach alcoholics, drug addicts, sex addicts, prostitutes, unwed mothers, wife-beaters, murderers, pretty much any sinful lifestyle, all the homosexuals heard from us was condemnation.
But, with each of those groups, we don't encourage them to engage in their destructive lifestyle.
Who's saying we should have encouraged them to engage in their homosexuality?
We had the chance decades ago to reach out to people struggling with SSA and say "Hey, listen. We all have our struggles and we hurt for you and what you're going through. Let us introduce you to Jesus and he can set you free from these desires. It may not be overnight. For that matter you may never be entirely free of SSA (like an alcoholic may never be entirely free of his want to drink to excess) but Jesus has healing power. He loves you the way you are but He loves you too much to let you stay that way."
This is the message we SHOULD have been sending all along, and the message some are starting to send now. But I fear it is already too late. The damage is done.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/4/2008 12:15:09 AM
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It's been almost 40 years, and same-sex couples still do not enjoy the same privileges as heterosexual couples.
Relax, Veritas, in that 40 years homosexuality has gone from a mental illness to an alternative lifestyle and, due to the courts of at least two states, has become a legally recognized form of marriage. I'm only 45. In my lifetime I have seen people have to begin identifying themselves as hetero or homosexual. Yet, my life experience has taught me that this is nothing more than another way to express preferred perversion.
Heterosexual couples' marriages in those two states are recognized in all 50 states, not so the same-sex marriages.
I'm not saying gay rights have made no progress. You are right gay rights activists have made some progress. My point was that SlipperyWhenWet's statement, "So far, gay *rights* activists have been working pretty much unopposed by Christians or any other group" is ridiculous to the point of being absurd. There is plenty of opposition to gay rights activists.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/4/2008 12:24:08 AM
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Heterosexual couples' marriages in those two states are recognized in all 50 states, not so the same-sex marriages.
I'm not saying gay rights have made no progress. You are right gay rights activists have made some progress. My point was that SlipperyWhenWet's statement, "So far, gay *rights* activists have been working pretty much unopposed by Christians or any other group" is ridiculous to the point of being absurd. There is plenty of opposition to gay rights activists.
As there should be; there is no basis for the state to sanction particular sexual proclivities. The right to privacy has apparently gone from having the right over one's own body in private, to requiring the state to sanction what certain people do in private - and public, depending on where one lives.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/4/2008 12:50:36 AM
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Heterosexual couples' marriages in those two states are recognized in all 50 states, not so the same-sex marriages.
I'm not saying gay rights have made no progress. You are right gay rights activists have made some progress. My point was that SlipperyWhenWet's statement, "So far, gay *rights* activists have been working pretty much unopposed by Christians or any other group" is ridiculous to the point of being absurd. There is plenty of opposition to gay rights activists.
As there should be; there is no basis for the state to sanction particular sexual proclivities. The right to privacy has apparently gone from having the right over one's own body in private, to requiring the state to sanction what certain people do in private - and public, depending on where one lives.
So you agree with me then. SlipperyWhenWet's statement is absurd.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/4/2008 12:59:23 AM
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So you agree with me then. SlipperyWhenWet's statement is absurd.
I said before that homosexuals have certainly had their difficulties in the past.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/4/2008 1:13:26 AM
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So you agree with me then. SlipperyWhenWet's statement is absurd.
I said before that homosexuals have certainly had their difficulties in the past.
True. Many of the difficulties are no more, but Gay rights groups still encounter plenty of opposition.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/4/2008 1:19:56 AM
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True. Many of the difficulties are no more, but Gay rights groups still encounter plenty of opposition.
Generally they encounter opposition to their political agenda; but that isn't persecution, it's democracy.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/4/2008 11:43:40 AM
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Who's saying we should have encouraged them to engage in their homosexuality?
That's what they want. They want to feel accepted and embraced for what they are. UNlike the other addictions you listed, homosexuals don't see their lifestyle as destructive and, therefore, don't see the need to repent.
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We had the chance decades ago to reach out to people struggling with SSA and say "Hey, listen. We all have our struggles and we hurt for you and what you're going through. Let us introduce you to Jesus and he can set you free from these desires. It may not be overnight. For that matter you may never be entirely free of SSA (like an alcoholic may never be entirely free of his want to drink to excess) but Jesus has healing power. He loves you the way you are but He loves you too much to let you stay that way."
Are you saying we (the church) haven't been reaching out over the last couple of decades? There are many reasons we have not seen as much success as we'd like. First off, we see what the media wants us to see and, all too often, think what the media wants us to think. Secondly, far too many Christians are caught up in their own personal sin and, thus, unable to love someone else out of hell. And, if we love them as they want to be loved, we simply love them into hell.
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Heterosexual couples' marriages in those two states are recognized in all 50 states, not so the same-sex marriages.
I'm not saying gay rights have made no progress. You are right gay rights activists have made some progress. My point was that SlipperyWhenWet's statement, "So far, gay *rights* activists have been working pretty much unopposed by Christians or any other group" is ridiculous to the point of being absurd. There is plenty of opposition to gay rights activists.
LIke I said, in my 45 years it has only been in the past decade or so that we've begun to distinguish a difference between hetero and homosexuality. it used to be that heterosexuality was the assumed norm. As to your point about slipperywhenwet's statement being absurd, you seem to have a track record of finding such statements and pounding on them until someone concedes you're right. Yes, there is plenty of opposition to gay rights. Much of it comes from groups claiming to represent Christ. That doesn't mean they are Christian.
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/4/2008 12:41:19 PM
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Yeah but we can still reach out, and when explaining to them that there sexual preference is wrong we must take out our Bible. The Bibile is the Truth, and its what God says. We have to let them know that yes Jesus does love them unconditionally but its the sin that he hates. Many dont see it as a sin, many believe they were born that way, that God created them that way but thats simply not true, now is it? Sounds like your giving up hope to reach out to them. There is always hope and no one can rid them of there demons but Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/4/2008 12:43:43 PM
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So you believe its okay to be gay?
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/4/2008 1:00:45 PM
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No I don't, what am i suppose to know? Should I care?
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RE: Homosexuality Article - 12/4/2008 1:19:42 PM
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Jhud
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You don't know Jhud very well I'd say.
Now, don't stereotype me here - I think happiness is a state we all should enjoy. For example, I have no problem this time of year with 'making the yuletide gay' or donning 'our gay apparel' as our forefathers apparently did.
Homosexuality, now that's another matter....
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